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Dragon's Den & Numbers

Last post 08 Mar 2007, 6:09 AM by johnny5. 11 replies.
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  •  09 Feb 2007, 6:14 PM 211104 in reply to 210610

    Re: Dragon's Den & Numbers

    It seems the themes are:

     

    1) Business decisions, even the ones taken by seasoned and successful business people, are irrational

    2) Many aspiring entrepreneurs cannot do the math and we cannot understand why

    I somebody could explain 2 I would be a happy man for a short while!

     

    GFM

     

     


    Why knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing?
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  •  11 Feb 2007, 10:52 AM 211583 in reply to 211104

    Re: Dragon's Den & Numbers

    Never seen this before last night - I was so shocked at how poor people's grasp of the numbers was!!!  Nothing against them, but I think you'd have to be mad to ask for investment without knowing what your turnover and profit was.

    I think it's quite simple why the numbers are so bad.  Many people start businesses without a clear profit-making idea (more "I'd love to make cheese" or "I want to be my own boss, I'm quite good at X, I could do that freelance" - where it should be "what pain am I able to resolve and how much is that worth to people?").   

     Very few are business and/or finance savvy enough to really understand how they are doing for a surprisingly long period - often up to 5 years IME, until they crash.  During that time they judge how things are going on the basis of how busy they are, or how much they have in their bank account. (!!!)  

    Frequently they will accept losses/poor cashflow (or to them, not enough in the bank account) for an extended period, because they are emotionally attached to the business or the idea of being a businessperson/entrepreneur etc.  They bail themselves out with equity in their homes, pensions, borrowing from family etc, in the heartfelt belief that it will turn out OK.   The crash only comes when they have exhausted those resources and finally have their backs against the wall.

    (This from my background in corporate recovery btw!)

    So I don't think it's uncommon at all for wannabe "entrepreneurs" not to have a clue about the numbers - even when their business has been running quite a while.  They are just unlikely to make it, because they don't knwo the commercial reality of what's going on, soon enough to take corrective action.

    The refrigeration guys, however will probably do quite well, they had a clear business idea and although I wonder whether they can really compete in a mature market, they knew their numbers well enough to inspire confidence.

     They pretty much said that they'd invest in the sauce guy for a bit of fun more than anything else - when you've made your first few million I guess you can have amusement investments as well as profitable ones!  And with those guys on board, and a bit of business assistance, he may well be quite successful as a niche producer.

      Good programme, will be watching next week!

     B

     

  •  11 Feb 2007, 3:17 PM 211639 in reply to 211583

    Re: Dragon's Den & Numbers

    Braken

    thanks for your reply. Interesting observations from an 'insider' (I am thinking about your corporate recovery background)...

    Enlightening words - I will reflect for a while about what you wrote.

    Thanks for sharing,

    GFM


    Why knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing?
  •  08 Mar 2007, 6:09 AM 226869 in reply to 211639

    Re: Dragon's Den & Numbers

    Hi all,

    Only just joined so hi! :)

    I always watch it thinking 'I would be soo good on there' but that really stumped me last night! I am terrible with numbers and generally have to write everything down to work it out! I think it's the 'calculator age' kicking in

    John

     

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