Singing Pig

Hi HG and thanks for the welcome.

I am not selling the system that I use every day. I am selling systems that I have developed as a result of other research on my system. When I first put the system together, and because I had originally intended to sell it, I had to go back through 6 months of the RP to make sure it worked.

However, I decided not to sell my own system, but sell the other products instead. The system that I use depends on you working for the whole of the afternoon, plus research and scoring in the morning.

Obviously, there are a lot of people interested in racing who can only nip into the bookies at lunchtime, or who like to have a go at the weekend. One of the systems that we devised is great for these kind of people.

It's not a case of upping the ante as you put it. I am happy to increase my bank by 10% per day. For me, it is about having different income streams. After all, my racing is like my job used to be. If I stop working then I don't earn any money.

However, I've done all this research and if I can sell what I have learnt, then why not??

I don't need to post my selections, whether on SP or PM'd to you because I am not trying to sell this selection or brag. I have nothing to lie about, and there is no need for anyone to question my postings or integrity.

Not questioning your integrity MisterH I was just looking for some justification of your system (nothing better than a "free" sample to prove how good you are, dont you agree?)

Also, after informing us about how good you are as a tipster you tell us that you are putting together a service and point us to a subscription website. As you say, absolutely nothing wrong with this, but please dont tell us your not trying to sell something. We can all recognise a backhanded pitch.

You also state  "I decided not to sell my own system, but sell the other products instead. The system that I use depends on you working for the whole of the afternoon, plus research and scoring in the morning."

How does this affect investors when they are purely investing? - They are not placing the bets, you are.

Sincerely

HG

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Afternoon HG!

Actually, I am not trying to do a back handed sell here. I originally came to SP on a totally unrelated matter, and started to join in with this discussion when I saw BTL King's message about semi pro gamblers.

I originally asked BTLK to take a look at my site for the feedback, nothing more. He is already developing his own system, and many of the people on this forum have their own methods for selection so I doubt they need me.

The people who have invested with racing4gold, are people who are in the HYIP arena. They are being conned left, right and centre and I felt that I could do a better job. Because of circumstances beyond my control, I needed the ability to use OPM and the combination of HYIP and my system seems to be the perfect solution.

If all goes to plan, and I am very careful and not greedy, I get to double member's money twice. Once for them and once for me. Most HYIP's are based on Ponzi's or just plain theft, at least I am telling them precisely what I will do with their money.

There is no further involvement once the deposit has been made. That is what the investors wanted, the chance to double their money but without doing any work. Suits me fine!

As for a free sample, we all want that, but without understanding the complexities, rules and the staking plan, I wouldn't want someone to take the selections and bet blind.

The other systems are more straight forward and are ideal products to be sold. I just think it depends on the time input that the buyer wants.

My other comments were not intended as bragging, you can see from the posts that this has effectively become a conversation between myself and BTL King, so we now communicate via PM's because I can help him with a few shortcuts on his research.

I'm just happy to use a bit of my spare time to point someone in a better direction and help them to avoid the time I wasted.

MisterH

^ and I greatly appreciate the pointers that you've given me 'H'!

I think if this had been on the Business Announcements area Honest George and 'H' was saying something along the lines of "I have a great system, let me make you money" then you would be entitled to a freebee, but as 'H' was saying it was just an online chat between us that was made public and he wanted me to take a look at his website. I know people prefer to see things on here rather than by secretive PM/email and as it was just some banter between us its not really very fair to say 'H' was saying what a good tipster he was etc. etc. There's only a few braggers on here and they like to wallow in the PMD section!

He gets it wrong sometimes just like the rest of us, after all, gambling does have an element of risk doesn't it?

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The engine's good but the bodywork's nackered ;->

Why would anyone buy systems that you yourself dont use?.The besy system apparantly is the one you use yourself but is not for sale. confusing!

I'm certainly not looking for a freebie BTL. I'm not that interested personally as I know the risks involved. What I am interested in is that the more "persuadable" members of SP may fall for the "get rich quick" overtones.

This seems to be getting a bit out of hand, so let me clarify a few things.

Firstly, I want to thank BTL King for his comments.

Next is for artvandelay. During our research, we noticed patterns that would suit level stakes players. It was the type of system that would be great for people that were only able to place bets in their lunch hour, more for fun during the week, and a little more serious at the weekend.

As a result of the research, we also developed other systems that depend on your racing/betting attitude. One of the systems concerns short priced favourites but that is something that some people will accept but I do not see any value in betting on a short/odds on price.

Again though, it all depends on other people's styles and risk. I just find, identify and package the information, it is up to the customer to buy what they are interested in.

The system that I use, and that I devised, is for me extremely simple but takes a fair amount of time to use. It takes up to 2 hours to select the horses and get them typed out in readiness for the off. With the system I use, and the results it produces, it is possible to keep betting for the entire day, and the evening too. However, it doesn't fit in with my lifestyle or family so I leave it alone after I get my 3rd winner and make my 10% profit.

If my commitments for the day do not allow me to use this system, then I revert to my level stakes system which only takes a few minutes to sort out.

It's not as much fun but it makes some profit on a day where I cannot follow the races.

The main thing is this: I really enjoy what I do and totally love watching/listening to the races so it's not the same if I place the bets and go out.

I believe in all of my systems, and wouldn't take the time to sell them if I didn't, but I just use my favourite one every day while I am watching the horses!

Okay, that's that bit done. Now onto HG's message.

My website is aimed at HYIP investors and not SP forum members.

As I have said before, I treat my racing as a job. By this, I mean that if I wanted to take a day off then I would not earn any money. However, if I have a second income stream and the order can be filled/dealt with the next day (i.e selling a system) then why not.

I don't believe in horses that are "nailed on" because I know that half of all odds on do not win. So, 50% of the time, the expected winner doesn't do what is expected of him. Also, there have been many occasions where jockeys are fined for failing to try, so there is another occasion of a dead cert being held up.

Don't get me wrong, I am as greedy as anyone else and want lots of money.

However, in the time it has taken me to develop the rules of my system, I have blown my entire bank 3 or 4 times.

The main reason that I blew the bank was greed. As you know, I usually stop after 3 wins, but stayed on for 3 more, which is another day's profit. That should have been when I walked away, but I kept going and hit a lengthy losing run. That taught me a big, big lesson.

That's why I call it a day after my third winner and then concentrate on sending out sales letters or packaged systems.

Hope that clears things up for everyone.

Finally, I have posts in 4 forums and my PM in box gets full in about 3 days!! I now privately email BTLK all the time now, to make sure I don't lose any of his messages.

Bye for now

MisterH

Do I remember you saying you sometimes go for a spread-betting approach Mr H? Say 2 possible winners for each race? If that is the case was it because you couldn't choose between them, and if so, did you just put half your stake on each nag?

Also, do you use online bookies or do you still pop down to the local bookies? Do you think there's a positive/negative for each one? I realise that certain bookies give better odds than others, e.g. Paddy Power seemed better on a few occasions than Ladbrookes. Do you have a favourite chain or just go for a (semi) independent?