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Last post 14 Dec 2009, 1:57 PM by Freda. 71 replies.
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  •  07 Feb 2009, 5:16 AM 713553 in reply to 693916

    Re: Harlequin Property

    hi, My name is Tony Mullin, (mullintony@ymail.com, I have been reading with interest the posts on Harlequin Property for the last few months and have looked at the archive material on this particular company.

    I was in Barbados and St. Vincent last week and have just returned to the UK, I am an investor and decided as I was in the region I would look at some potential investment opportunities, I must say that  I am now puzzled by the negativity generated on the site towards Harlequin Properties.I visited numerous high profile sites in Barbados and I have briefly outlined my findings below.

    Many of the developments I visited in Barbados have been put on hold due to the current credit crunch, some of the projects have been started but work has now ceased on further development, others had not yet started but as I met with the various sales teams and agents a similar story began to emerge, I was advised that any investment I was prepared to make was a sure thing as in most cases I was advised that the projects in question were temporarily suspended and in most cases the agents expected that construction would re-commence by the middle to the end of the second quarter of the year.In most cases I was informed that the agents expected that liquidity would return to the market within a few months and as a consequence project development finance would be released back to the various development companies allowing the projects to proceed,

    I was unable to discover any agent representing Harlequin in Barbados and I took it upon myself to contact Harlequin's UK office to see if they could be of assistance, within an hour of contacting the UK office a re-presentative from the construction company proportedly executing the work on behalf of Harlequin in the Caribbean contacted me and arranged to meet me the following morning in order to facilitate a visit of Harlequin's Merricks site location.The following morning I was picked up from my hotel and driven to the site location, where I was introduced to the project manager, he proceeded to give me a tour of the site and showed me the current works being executed including the infrastructural development of the project offices and show homes.

    I will admit that the site was still in a fairly raw state but I did notice that quite a number of construction related activities had commenced.I expressed an interest in visiting the Harlequin development in St. Vincent, the Buccament Bay project and was told that there would be no problem in facilitating my request.

    I arrived in St. Vincent, but I must admit that I was not sure what to expect, I took a taxi to the site, I asked the Taxi driver if he knew the project, I was surprised to discover that Harlequin are the largest private employer on the island, employing in excess of 400 employees on the project, I spent 3 hours with a re-presentative of Harlequin's contractor on the site and was informed by the project manager that the site operated for 10 hours a day 6 days a week. The site currently has over 160 units in various stages of completion, with landscaping of the site underway and one of the 6 hotel blocks was structurally complete, with 2 more under way. I did enquire of the project manager as to whether he felt that the current credit crunch would have an affect on this project, he replied by telling me that the company was currently recruiting additional personnel for both St. Vincent and the projects which Harlequin are commencing in the Dominican Republic.

    I was able to co-oborate what I had learned at Harlequin's St. Vincent location later that evening whilst back at my hotel. Now I am not advocating that anyone rush out and purchase fom Harlequin just on my word alone, but what I would suggest of anyone who is serious about making an investment of this type to take the time and visit these locations, I find this site to be interesting but I do wonder if some of those comments about Harlequin are from persons who have recently if ever visited the locations, I was freely given the contact details of their Local Lawyers and the American based Architects and Master Planners in which to further co-oborate what I had been told. I for one was very impressed with what I had seen, and its nice to see some businesses out there bucking the trend in this current climate.

    Again I would say to anyone who is really serious about investing in this or any other overseas developments, take the time to visit the locations and see for yourself what is actually available before making your decision.

    I have included my email address should anyone wish to contact me.

    Regards,

    Tony Mullin, London

     

     

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  •  07 Feb 2009, 8:53 PM 713714 in reply to 713553

    Re: Harlequin Property

    I too have been reading posts about Harlequin with interest, but from a different perspective.  I am fortunate to have avoided been an investor in a Harlequin development.  I say this because other posts on this and other sites have said:

    1. Buccament Bay and Merricks were sold on the basis of unachievable completion dates - I'm not sure when the original completion date for Buccament Bay was, but from internet research I believe Merricks completion has moved from December 2007, to December 2009, to December 2010 and is now December 2012.  So if I had invested expecting completion in December 2009 Harlequin would have had my 30% deposit for an additional 3 years with not a bean of compensation.  In the meantime, my investment may well have gone down in value due to the credit crunch.

    2. I see from other postings that investors who are due their deposits back on Buccament Bay because the completion date in their contract has not been met are being refused a refund.  Harlequin are saying it's not their problem, even though it has associations with the companies holding the deposits.

    3. Other postings have said that investors were not told that Merricks did not have full planning permission when they invested, this may be the case with other developments such as Marquis Estate.  Many investors may not have invested if they had been given the full facts and been made aware that the completion dates could materially alter.

    4. Harlequin's website looks very glossy, but most images are artist's impressions and Harlequin fail to make this clear.  In addition, Harlequin says it has contracts with various high profile companies, but these contracts are probably very preliminary and not very meaningful because Harlequin have yet to finish any developments.

    5. Other postings say that Harlequin do not own the land for all their developments; if true this is very worrying.

    6. A big concern is that, having paid over the odds for properties in Harlequin's developments, when finished investors will struggle to get finance.  Harlequin rely on their properties going up in value, but it does not mention anything about what happens if their properties go down in value, which may well happen in the current economic climate.  For example, if an investor paid £300,000 for a property and it is now only worth £200,000 then they will only get a loan of 70% of £200,000, not 70% of £300,000 which will mean that they will have to come up with cash to finance the difference.

    7. Other postings say that Harlequin have been offering big discounts on some properties, which would be very worrying for me if I had invested because I would not be able to sell my property at a profit.

    8. It appears from the other postings that Harlequin will do pretty much anything to get a sale, but are unwilling to respond to these investors' concerns, preferring to allege defamation instead to get the forum hosts to remove postings (regardless of whether they are defamatory).

    One thing I do agree with you is that investors should do their homework, but with Harlequin in all cases none of their development has been fully finished as far as I am aware, and many have not been started in any significant manner, so it is very diffcult to do so.  So personally I would steer clear until such time as Harlequin have actually finished and shown to be successfully operating developments and investors are shown to be able to resell their investments at a profit.  There is a big difference between building a project office and show home and Harlequin actually showing it can fully finish a development and operate it successfully and producing a profit for investors.

    It will be interesting to find out how successful your investment will be when you come to try and arrange 70% finance and sell it for a profit, which is what Harlequin are still advertising that you will be able to do.

  •  07 Feb 2009, 11:00 PM 713744 in reply to 713553

    Re: Harlequin Property

    Hi Tony Mullin

    Thanks for giving an update on Harlequin progress. They wouldn't do that for me or my solicitor. They merely reminded us that my contracts were not with them, but Harlequin Caribbean Properties (whoever they are - we can't find out). Please could you let me know if you took any photos of the developments you visited? Your report is impressively thorough, but I need more than that.

    Thanks

    Jamfix007

  •  15 Feb 2009, 9:24 AM 719081 in reply to 713744

    Re: Harlequin Property

    There are not many trustworthy companies. I am suprised people do not do their research. I posted some questions here a while ago about investments I was looking at, did more research and went into two projects with Oxford Management (www.OxfordManagement.eu).

    I am satisfied. In one stock market listed fund the expectations are 40% per annum and the second single project I already got my return of 62% in the current market. The market is more difficult, so returns are not as high as they were, but I have spoken with other investors and people are generally satisfied.

    Do your research, find an honest and reliable company and stick with them, dont take risks with these dodgy companies you talk about here, why do that?

    Gerald.

  •  18 Feb 2009, 8:37 PM 721787 in reply to 719081

    Re: Harlequin Property

    I have been reading the posts relating to Harlequin Property with interest as it has recently been suggested to me that I invest in one of their developments. Undoubtedly the marketing material for these developments looks good but, as a potential investor, I have to ask only one question - does this developer have the scale and experience to manage the inherent risks in a project of this size? Judging by many of the comments around the internet there are serious grounds to doubt whether they do.

    On the other hand, they do now seem to be making progress at Buccament Bay and there is some glimmer of hope that this project might yet be brought home in one piece. If this is the case there is a reasonable expectation that investors in BB could make the kind of returns suggested.

    My concerns lie in why the developer has chosen to launch so many projects before successfully completing any of them. I have to wonder for what purpose the developer might be using the money invested in the practically dormant projects. This then raises issues about whether the later projects will ever break ground.

     Anyone out there got any clearer view about they way the wind might be blowing in the Caribbean for these projects?

  •  21 Feb 2009, 9:04 AM 723661 in reply to 719081

    Re: Harlequin Property

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  •  13 Mar 2009, 9:55 PM 738091 in reply to 723661

    Re: Harlequin Property

    Hi ,

     I am an investor in SV, please I need to contact with another investor to ask something about the contracts? 

     

    please could you contact me my email is

    matias201@hotmail.com

     

    Thanks in advance

     

    Regards

     

  •  19 Mar 2009, 10:57 AM 741648 in reply to 713714

    Re: Harlequin Property

    Well the jury's still out with Harlequin. As an investor on the Merricks site i'm still trying to remain positive amidst all the doom and gloom. I think that an enormous amount hinges on the completion of Bucamment Bay and my agent has recently sent me some encouraging pictures showing construction progress on this site which are available on harlequin's website.

    At least Harlequin haven't gone bust yet or the developments been cancelled with investors struggling to get their deposits back like so many developments in Dubai and elsewhere!

    Does anyone have any up to date information regarding the planning situation at The Merricks? I understand full planning is still outstanding. I've also been sent some pictures that show construction has started on the show houses which must be a step in the right direction? 

     

     


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